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TrashPosterInTheDark
There is no blind trust. There is fact which is what you ignore. You are a conspiracy theorist. Plain and simple.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Your "facts" comes from those you are selling you the vaccines. I guess that's enough for simple minded people.
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And by the way, how does the CDC make their money off the Flu vaccine? They don't make it.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Do you even know who manufacture these vaccines? I bet you don't.
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Sanofi Pasteur , Australian company CSL, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline.
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I know I know. These pharma's are in cahoots with the Government in one large freakin scam. LMAO. Conspiracy Theorist all the way. Moron.
Sk8eM dUb
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In cahoots is not the proper nomenclature dude. We say "regulatory capture".
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And I am sure many gov leads have had Vaccine shots and flu shots. So who are you talking about?
Sk8eM dUb
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They get the Thimerosal-free ones
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Um Ok. You must not eat much Tuna because it 's the same amount of Thimerosal in a vaccine as a 3 OZ can of Tuna. LOL
Sk8eM dUb
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Do you inject tuna directly into your brain?
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WTF? LMAO Go back to your lousy trading Techniques Don't make yourself look like more of a moron.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you think ingestion and injection have equvalent absorption rates just because you're defending an establishment authority you're the one who looks stupid.
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Lets get rid of the CDC because Douche Bag DashCunning disagrees with the facts they show. Talk about looking stupid.
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Then prove otherwise you fuckin Moron. Don't just spout BullShit.
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And I ask you, who in gov is making this decision that we will purposely give vaccine shots that we know will make people sick? Unless you are a dictator, gov is ran by people.
Sk8eM dUb
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Requiring them or ostrisizing ppl who refuse them for whatever reason the choose is authoritarian.
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And it's no secret we live longer because of advanced Medicine. So again the facts go against your conspiracy theory that the gov is trying to knock people off with Vaccines.
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Well at least you admit your a Conspiracy Theorist. Complete nonsense. No fact to base any of your shit on.
Sk8eM dUb
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What do you think of these guys? Are they still Nazis or have they magically turned into benevolent moral people? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
Sk8eM dUb
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Wolfs conspire to eat sheep. That's not a theory, it's a fact. Not all modern medicine is bad but it is a walled garden with a profit motive to keep the status quo gravy train rollin.
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And you are the one that decides which medicine is good, and which medicine is bad with no fact bearing evidence what so ever. Nice
Sk8eM dUb
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authority figure-"inject this into your baby's blood stream. It's safe and effective."
Mother-"prove it"
authority figure-*hair on fire* CONSPIRACY THEORST! FLAT EARTHER! BURN HER!!!1!
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It has been proven moron. Go look at the stats of people who have died not getting Vaccines vs people who have. Of course you will have a non factual Bull Shit answer for everything.
Sk8eM dUb
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You say the word "proven". Proven by whom? This is the crux of the issue. A snake oil salesman loves to use the word proven. "Proven safe and effective! Low low price of $9.95!"
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Get off your trading habits and actually go learn something. Your argument is as good as a BCORE team member.
Sk8eM dUb
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You're the one trusting an authority like core/blockstream(connected to the same ppl as the medical establishment btw) to tell you what's good for you. Questioning = blasphemy.
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How do you know the Dodgers won 5-2 today? They showed it on T.V. But that all could have been fake. They really didn't play. They just made you think they did. LMAO.
Sk8eM dUb
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There's no profit motive for deceiving me of baseball game results. There is (massive)profit motive for cooking/spinning study results.
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Again prove anything is just a profit motive other than the tuna you are blowing out your ass.
Sk8eM dUb
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Do you trust a home plate umpire who has a $100K bet on the game to call balls and strikes fairly?
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And the funny thing is if it was all profit like you say, then they certainly wouldn't be telling people the flu shot was only 10% effective last year. LOL. Great sales pitch.
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Where's the proof an ump put money on the game?
Sk8eM dUb
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Certainly this guy has his own profit motive. But can you debunk his claims? https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/30/cdc-receives-funding-from-industry.aspx
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You are the one claiming they are printing fake stats. And you have no proof that's the case. Another Conspiracy Theorist= IDIOT.
Sk8eM dUb
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The burden of proof is not on me because I have a choice to take the vaccines or not. It's their responsibility to convince me that the CDC isn't captured by big$$$ special interests.
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Yes, you have the choice to possibly die by one of the diseases the vaccines prevent against. And it's only your choice. You don't have to believe anything.
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But when it comes to children where they don't get to choose, it's a sad day in hell if their parents don't vaccinate them.
Sk8eM dUb
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Why?
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find an old cemetery and browse, there was a reason they had so many kids back then cause making it to adulthood was an accomplishment not achieved by all
Sk8eM dUb
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lol yeah that's cuz most people lived in shacks and drank poop water. How well do your graphs correlate with water treatment plants and refrigeration?
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look what happened when herd immunity dropped we see measles outbreaks again
or did these people start drinking poop water again?
Sk8eM dUb
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Remember when what's-his-name said "correlation does not imply causation"? Maybe it was fast food? http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/fast-food-weight-gain-and-insulin.html
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Sk8eM dUb
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If the general level of a population's immune system is compromised because of poor nutrition, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume they'd have a higher incidence of diseases.
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Sk8eM dUb
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2 deaths per 100K ppl down to zero. Maybe it's cuz everyone finally had a refrigerator? https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/technology%20adoption%20rate%20century.png
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See this is your scapegoat. You don't have to believe any facts. You don't have to believe the testing and the history of results. It's certainly not proven by you. Retard.
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correlation != causation
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Vaccines and inoculations are not the same thing. A vaccine inoculates you but it's not the only option for inoculation.
slb
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2) It's like saying snake poison cures cancer. If you poison all people with cancer you will have 0 cancer deaths. Stats out of context are huge evil.
slb
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1) Those stats are out of context. They only show drop of deaths by certain disease. But if you check the overall death drop - there is none outside of the general trend.
Sk8eM dUb
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging

Say it to yourself every morning like brushing your teeth -

Correlation does not imply causation.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Sk8eM dUb
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lolol "inject this virus into your bloodstream - statistically you have an extremely good chance of not dying" 😂😂😂😂 sign me up!
Fnuller15
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Vaccines are not injected directly into the bloodstream. They are commonly injected into a muscle (intramuscular injection).
Sk8eM dUb
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Ah yeah good point. Still more direct than going through your digestive tract. Idk if thimerosal is dangerous. 10% effective isn't a good enough risk/reward tho so I pass on flu shots
Fnuller15
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Flu vaccine shots make sense if you belong to certain at-risk groups (elderly, pregnant,and others) where a flu disease poses a greater risk than for regular healthy adults.
Sk8eM dUb
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I'm a centrist on the issue. I think the FDA and CDC gots their hands elbow deep in the cookie jar. It's similar to trusting blockstream to write benevolent Bitcoin code.
Fnuller15
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What is the alternative to FDA/CDC regulation of medicine? No regulation at all?
Sk8eM dUb
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***Mises lol you can tell I'm not completely sold on the libertarian religion.
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calling it a "religion" just shows, how little you actually read/heard/talked about it with people. It's clearly not "Oh yeah, I got it, but there is more to it". It's petty dismissal.
Sk8eM dUb
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If it's not a religion why do you react this way to me calling it that? "Taxation is theft" is (dogmatically shallow) tribal signaling just like "believe women" or "God is good".
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but hey dude... whatever.. I don't give a shit anymore. I try not to answer any moronic statement made on the internet, it waste my time and energy. have fun talking shit
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i cannot answer you, without being a blind zealot? ok. lets not talk. people calling libertarian philosophy and its <logical> conclusions "a religion" 100% DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT.
anarchovegan
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It's not, but if the person doesn't know why taxation is theft, it might as well be.
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"taxation is theft" comes from a logical thoughtprocess. If I have to tell this to you, and explain the process, it means that all those hours spend understanding rothbard were wasted.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you can't explain it it means you actually don't understand it. OR it's not actually cogent, you just think it is because you sank so much time(and lost so many friends?) over it.
Sk8eM dUb
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That's called a "sunk cost fallacy" by the way. Just because you spent a lot of time on something does not make it correct, useful or cogent.
anarchovegan
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No; if you can't explain it, your time was wasted. If you can, it was well-spent.
Sk8eM dUb
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I know the thought process because I've processed it with thought. I think it's flawed reasoning. If that offends you it's cuz I'm blaspheming your religion. If not you wouldn't be.
anarchovegan
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What is your counter to the idea that taxation is theft?
Sk8eM dUb
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So if I dropped you naked in the middle of a forrest a thousand miles from any civilization - you wouldn't be able to clothe yourself, let alone make a gun. Learn to be more thankful!
anarchovegan
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Let's say you live in a rapist's house, and that rapist was excused to rape you because that's just how things go.
Now, imagine you were in the middle of a forest. Be grateful!
Sk8eM dUb
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I'm extremely grateful that I eat better than any king could 200 years ago every day, I'm safe, I can move around freely, I can access information freely, I get a day off once a week..
anarchovegan
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I am too :)
And things could be so much better with consistency applied morality, too :)
In fact, our collective existence depends on it. We will go extinct otherwise.
Simon Van Gelder
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How much would this service cost? It sounds desirable...
Sk8eM dUb
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It'll cost you everything!
Simon Van Gelder
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My lucky day: that's *exactly* what I have.
Sk8eM dUb
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That'll take a minute. I gotta work! I'll hit you up later.
Sk8eM dUb
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Pareto principle guarantees that a tiny percentage of the population will end up "owning" most of the land in a free-for-all anarchist society. Maybe ancaps think it'll be them?
anarchovegan
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Could you explain what a free-for-all anarchist society is?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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It would probably look a lot like “Burning Man” if I were to guess 🤔
anarchovegan
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That's not very helpful.
I haven't been to burning man.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Google and YouTube can be an excellent resource to learn more about places and experiences you haven’t had but are interested in ;)
anarchovegan
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Yes, and you could also tell me what you mean by "free for all anarchist society".
I don't care about burning man.
I'm asking you what You mean.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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https://burningman.org/event/preparation/first-timers-guide/
This is a good place to start if you want to see why I thought Burning Man when I read “free for all anarchist society”
Sk8eM dUb
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Found the words "law enforcement" on there. This is not anarchy.
Sk8eM dUb
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Isolate them with no food and see what happens next.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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They would probably just go find food. Hunt/gather and share as a community because that is the philosophy that Burning Man brings.
Sk8eM dUb
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lol I thought it was in the desert. I'm saying introduce actual scarcity so people have to start deciding between altruism and personal survival. You'll get a few "criminals", then...
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Obviously if you put people in a situation where they have no food or water they are going to start fighting. Law enforcement or anarchy doesn’t matter. Survival can become savage.
Sk8eM dUb
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Not necessarily starvation level famine, just enough scarcity that there are winners and losers in food production which means inequality. You'll have a government in no time.
Simon Van Gelder
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I've heard a shepherd does wonders in such a situation.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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I have no clue what your meaning by this. Care to elaborate?
Simon Van Gelder
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People with no resources in the desert are animals, which a shepherd can lead and care for.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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“free for all anarchist society” wasn’t a term I used. Sorry I kinda jumped in on your conversation with someone else because when I read that I immediately thought burning man
Sk8eM dUb
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no no no, please jump in! It's a fascinating topic, I'm still thinking through it.
anarchovegan
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So... what do you mean by it?
anarchovegan
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Indeed.
Sk8eM dUb
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Watch Princess Mononoke, pretty much that. No different than straight up feudalism. If you amass any wealth there'll be raiding parties of samurai at your door every damn day.
anarchovegan
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And why do you think if you amass wealth they'll be raiding parties of samurai every day?
Sk8eM dUb
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Why do you think there wouldn't be?
anarchovegan
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It depends on if people defend taxation, the blind obedience to authority.
That is what enables that.
Sk8eM dUb
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So what do you think should happen to people who "defend taxation in blind obedience to authority"?
anarchovegan
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That, if they are so open, they talk with me or someone else who advocates for anarchy, a society where none hold the blind belief in authority?
Sk8eM dUb
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And how do you propose to achieve that?
anarchovegan
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By talking with them, as I am currently doing with you.
Sk8eM dUb
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Perhaps you're right. However, the statement isn't useful in the least because the alternative(feudalism) is much much worse.
anarchovegan
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What statement?
What do you mean that feudalism is the only alternative?
Sk8eM dUb
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The statement "taxation is theft" is like a child complaining that it's not fair he has to do chores to get an allowance. As the parent I'd say 'don't let the door hit you in the ass!'
anarchovegan
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How is "Taxation is theft" like that?
Sk8eM dUb
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The kid wants the benifits of living in the household he was born in without any obligations. You want the benifits of the society you were born into with none of the trade-offs.
anarchovegan
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Being born into a society that organizes using theft validates that theft?
Is the taxation repealed when child matures?
Aren't families communistic?
Is everyone a perpetual child?
Sk8eM dUb
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It's a limited analogy. You know that demanding perfect solutions is a socialist tactic? Gotta say I'm disappointed. I thought I'd learn from you but it seems you're just an NPC.
anarchovegan
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How am I demanding perfect solutions?
Sk8eM dUb
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By taking an analogy farther than it was clearly meant to illustrate the point I was making.
Unknown
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What point were you illustrating?
Sk8eM dUb
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Anarchism becomes feudalism because of the Pareto principle. A small amount of people will own most/all of the land. A monopoly on land ownership is feudalism by definition.
anarchovegan
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Why would a small amount of people in anarchy own most/all the land?
Sk8eM dUb
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Haven't convinced me of anything other than that you blindly, dogmatically, definitionally believe to the idea that a tax is necessarily a violent violation of your property rights.
anarchovegan
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I don't expect to convince you of anything in one conversation. I don't understand how you're concluding that I'm dogmatic about taxation. Could you explain that?
Sk8eM dUb
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One big problem with "taxation is theft" is that you assume entitlement of all society's structure that you benefit from every damn day. Not saying it's perfect or even very efficient.
anarchovegan
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How does "taxation is theft" assume entitlement of all society's structure?
If you have your money stolen from you, but they buy you something, that makes their theft ok?
Sk8eM dUb
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The roads, sewers, electricity, infrastructure to keep it all running etc. etc. - all stuff you used to make that money *in the first place*. Could you have made that money w/o it?
anarchovegan
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Are you saying that these things cannot be done in a voluntary fashion?
Sk8eM dUb
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I just watched Princess Mononoke - great film for thinking about this stuff. One takeaway- force multipliers(like guns) require specialization. You don't get steel without society.
anarchovegan
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I don't know what you mean by force multipliers, nor how society or specialization require government, whatever you mean by those terms.
Sk8eM dUb
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So like trains - what needs to exist societally to turn iron ore into a functioning train system? How much cheaper is it to transport goods via rail than carrying it on foot to market?
anarchovegan
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What does this have to do with a voluntary society vs an involuntary society?
Sk8eM dUb
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That's why pay tribute to Caesar - YOU USED HIS SYSTEM OF COMMERCE TO MAKE THAT MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE <---- Make your money outside that system, then you can say taxation is theft.
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "his system of commerce"?
Sk8eM dUb
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Do you create the money system you use every day? Didi you build the highways and the rails? Why do you think you get to use them for free?
anarchovegan
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Why do you think that stealing money (taxation) is how things are built in a sustainable fashion, supposing that this is what you think?
Not taxation =/= free.
Sk8eM dUb
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Some taxes are theft for sure, that's an inevitability of having any centralized power structure. That doesn't mean the alternative is going to be any more efficient.
anarchovegan
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