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vaccinating for alpha does not work for new variants,
eradicating respiratory virus has never ever been done, ever.
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Where did you get that idea? The evidence shows the vaccine works perfectly fine for all the variants we know of so far.

Eradication is not the goal. So why mention it?
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The keys to unlock the golden gate of herd immunity towards Sars-CoV-2
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-keys-to-unlock-the-golden-gate-of-herd-immunity-towards-sars-cov-2
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Through all of these responses it's just a bit sad to see both the misunderstanding of information coupled with misinformation that misleads you about the data.
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Please tell where exactly is that misinformation. You are projecting psychologically
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No one disputes that there have been rare side effects, but that is true of all medicine. This is safer than many things people commonly consume. Birth control causes more blood clots.
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oh they do, bu sideffects are not rear, it means it's working :D
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The low side effect rate means it is working, and quite safe. Maybe you need to look more into medicine in general to get some context.
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If you put all of this data into context it shows that the vaccine is actually remarkably effective and safe.
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oh wow, you hate numbers i guess
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I am the one does appreciate numbers here. Its the numbers that show you are confused about this whole issue. Rates are 4he beat numbers to look at.
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Pfzier/BioNTech BNT162b2
relative risk reduction = 95%;
absolute risk reduction = 0.7%
Moderna mRNA-1273
relative risk reduction = 94%;
absolute risk reduction = 1%
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Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
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Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
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Dr. Robert Malone
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-latest-covid-19-data-booster-shots-and-the-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html
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vaccine reprograms innate immune responses
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210510/Research-suggests-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine-reprograms-innate-immune-responses.aspx
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Nobel Prize Winner Says “BS 19 Vaxxines Are an Unacceptable Mistake”
https://www.londontimes.live/health/nobel-prize-winner-says-bs-19-vaxxines-are-an-unacceptable-mistake/
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His opinion is his. He really doesn't matter. Those closer to the data in the field know better. Its the data that matters more than opinions.
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SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1
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Sweden Bans Travelers From Israel, One of the Most Vacc
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/sweden-bans-travelers-from-israel-one-of-the-most-vaccinated-nations_3978811.html
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They are known to have a large population of anti-vaxxers in Israel. I do not think they are one of the most vaccinated. They vaccinated early is all.
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Gibraltar vaxxed 119%, did not work
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
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Please learn the difference ARR vs RRR
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
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what is the goal? and what is your definition of "works perfectly fine"?
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Mostly to get people vaccinated to lessen the effect of infection. With that also to reduce the spread as much as we can. There is also hope of breakthroughs on resperatory illness.
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vaccines do not reduce spread, even manufacturers dont claim that
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Its not a physical barrier preventing the virus, but it does mean the virus is in people and able to spread for less time, which does reduce the spread. Not sure how you're confused.
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you are fantasizing, where is the data on reducing spread?
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In every bit of data on the infection rates. We can see how vaccinated populations get infected less, and are harmed less. There is no data showing otherwise.
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Maybe you are confused by the similarity in infection rates during lockdowns and vaccinated populations out of lockdown as the same. It shows the vaccination is comparable to lockdowns
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where can you see that data?
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In all places it is collected. John Hopkins website is the best place to seethe collected data.
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but you unable to find it?
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Oh, you need a link...
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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yes, I need a link on vaccines reducing spread, this is not it.

Vaccine literally useless:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
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At least they explain their method so you can point to the obvious flaws I already highlighted before. They do not consider the conditions related to the spread.
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All they are showing is that places with high vaccination rates, that have also listen social restrictions, have the expected increase in infection rates.
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They ignore the influence of lockdowns and social restrictions in the data, and the comparability of those restrictions with vaccine efficacy. Their method is flawed.
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Look into any scientific endeavour and you will see argument and disagreement. You then try to use that to support your own conclusions which are not supported even by your link.
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This shows the vaccine is of anything slightly less effective than total lockdowns. Not that the vaccines are ineffective. Do you have anything that supports your conclusions?
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The initial requirement for a vaccine before we had one was 50% effectiveness. We lucked out at got 95ish% effectiveness rates. We had been working on this type of vaccine for decades.
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you are mixing up ARR and RRR again, effectiveness and efficiency are different
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I know they are different, and am not confusing them. Please explain how you think I am confusing them.
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effectiveness (ARR) is 0.7% so how should this work?
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No, it's about 95%. I think you are confusing these terms.
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Nothing about the vaccines are 0.7% in anything. Your numbers sound like they came from a dishonest source.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
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Your trying to argue the semantics of efficacy vs effectiveness. That is intellectually dishonest to pretend I was claiming one vs the other, and your number is not in that link.
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Vaccine literally useless:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
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Okay, now please read your links. They debunk your claims. Your links are arguments for continuing other protections on top of vaccination. They also debunk your ARR vs RRR falicy.
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Just because the Pfizer vaccine needs a booster after a while due to dropping effectiveness doesn't mean it was never effective. Needing a booster is fine. Lots of vaccines do.
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no? so what does it mean about effectiveness, if you need a booster?
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Nothing really, it just means that there may be a need for a booster. Why is that significant in your opinion? What makes you think your even qualified to judge this stuff?
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it means it's not a Vaccine, it does not create lasting immunity,
It is a experimental ineffective gene therapy
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Oh wow, now people want to redefine the word vaccine to not count mRNA vaccines? It's funny that anyone could try to claim they are not vaccines.
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nope, other way around, definition changed 2020, including mrna
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Looks more like a correction. They have had more than one type of vaccine being used for decades now. mRNA is just one of many types of vaccine. It's just one new type or vaccine.
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NEW type? MRNA gene therapy never been used
what is this about? https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-asks-federal-judge-to-grant-it
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Yes, a new type of vaccine to go with the other types. Your wrong to claim there has only been one type before.
As for the link it's just a lawyer and a frivolous suit.
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That's my argument, its NEW, without long term safety studies.
FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data.
Again, WHY?
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I'll give you a hint: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/more-people-died-in-the-key-clinical?r=76kom&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
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It has been studied since the early 90's at the latest, possible the 80's. New is a relative term. Vaccine side effects are not that long term.
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I wonder why don't you give links to those studies that don't exist :)
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It would require more effort than I am willing to put in. I. Too busy to spoon feed you an education. Especially when this is such readily available information.
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Especially when you obviously side step real information to find conspiracy sources and "alternative news" instead of real sources.
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what real information?
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The fact is they train your immune system to recognise Covid, the same as all other vaccines there have ever been. mRNA is just safer and more effective, and easier to make.
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Nope, covid gene therapies makes your own cells to produce trillions obsolete spike proteins.
No vaccine ever worked like that. There are no long term safety studies, none.
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There are a lot of long term safety studies since 5he 90's on mRNA vaccines. Teaching your body to be immune is what makes a vaccine. How it does that varies with different vaccines.
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Correcting the website does not mean the definition changed.
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provide your source for definition or stay silent
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I don't think I can link a podcast that is behind a paywall. I instead listen to real experts on these issues instead of propaganda sites like Project Veritas.
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so you have nothing?
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I have the word of legitimate experts instead of misinformation from Project Veritas.
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The Sam Harris podcast is a great resource to hear from actual experts.
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The Mindacape podcast is another great resource to hear from real experts.
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Who are the experts? Sam Harris? :D
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Sam Harris is an expert on neuroscience and meditation, not virology and immune response. He hosts the podcast and talks to relevant experts like Zeynep Tufekci on misinformation.
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Nicholas Christakis is another good expert on the issue he interviewed. Sean Carroll is an cosmologist who also talks to various experts on many issues.
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Sean and Sam are both far batter at judging the expertise of these people, and it's worth listening to the experts they spoke with. It's better than random people claiming expertise.
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you could change definition of obesety or poverty and they are instantly gone :)
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Immune RESPONSE, is not real IMMUNITY
Only natural exposure gives you actual immunity by definition
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CDC recently had to change the definition of a vaccine on their site
Covid vaccines don't use the virus itself like other vaccines do. It doesn't target the virus directly
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Immune response is how immunity works. It's better to be vaccinated than risk the disease. Also it is a lie that the definition changed. Your repeating a lie.
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Hey Sam, you had your 3rd jab yet? and in 3 months time are you ready for jab 4?
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Adverse reactions and chances of them occurring go up dramatically with each additional shot
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As of last Friday just in United States there's been 7,326 deaths from the vaccines and they say that is a small portion because most don't get reported
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If you want to read the details of every reported incident here you go
https://t.co/WozeagV8SO?amp=1
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In reality booster shots are half does and less likely to cause side effects. The 7,300 death count is grossly inflated. More likely that it is under 100.
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I got my booster shot 5 months after my second shot. There seems to be no call far a fourth booster shot. If they find it's best to get a booster I will.
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So how many months has it been since you had your first booster aka 3rd jab?
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2 weeks.
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If its been 5 months since your 3rd jab then you have no immunity, hurry and book a 4th jab asap.
As it stands you are no different from the unvaxxed.
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Where did you get the absurd idea you have no immunity after 5 months? Do you think that is why they are suggesting the booster shot?
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booster after the immunity from the initial dose(s) naturally starts to wane. The booster is designed to help people maintain their level of immunity for longer.
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Exactly. Not what you claimed at all.
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Few months your jab wanes if not topped up.
Top ups every few months for life on a 99% survival rate,without knowing the long term effects...only a fool would follow these rules.
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It never completely wanes. Delta varients is a reason to boost immunity.

Flu shots are normal and they are 10 to 100 times less deadly.
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Gibraltar 118.2% vaccinated cancels Xmas, waiting to see your mental gymnastics explaining that. Don't fall on your face again :)
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https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-releases/rise-in-active-covid-19-cases-public-urged-to-be-cautious-and-reduce-mixing-8452021-7433
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The article explains it rather well itself. Also you can't have more than 100% of people vaccinated.
They didn't cancel Xmas. It says right they cancelled government employee parties.
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99.97 if you are under 70 years old. Average 4 comorbidities per death. 0 deaths if treated early.
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Your numbers are wrong. We have actual numbers to go by.
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There is your problem. You get your numbers from memes. Thanks for showing why you are so ill informed.
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Stockholm University not a meme, try harder
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A COVID-19 booster is given when a person has completed their vaccine series, and protection against the virus has decreased over time.
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Yes, it has decreased over one. No one is saying you have no immunity after 5 months. It may wane a bit, but you still have immunity. Delta is rather virulent though.
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Also it can give eternal immunity from covid, when you are dead
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Colin Powell style.
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Those not immunised for Covid are far more likely to end up dead.

Nothing you can link will change the fact of billions of doses with hardly any side effects.
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Nothing beats natural immunity, those that have had covid and recovered , their immunity lasts way longer than any jab or booster. Those that have had 3 jabs will suffer side effects.
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CDC unable to show single case
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Funny, because they have shown many cases of people who had Covid, getting it again.

Immunity is immunity no matter if it is from the vaccine, or beating the virus.
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heard about false pcr positive?
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Yes, and I know it is irrelevant. Doctors also know about that and follow up with another test after to confirm.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results
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Actually that's not the definition but it's a description or characteristic of it. Insanity is much more broad than just that.
You have a point though
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It's a different test. Not the same thing.
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They have the cheap test anyone can easily take. They have another to confirm after. It should be pretty simple to understand.
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oh so there is a "cheap test" and "another test", got it, very science at it again :D
do you see those doctors in a room right now?
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Vaccinated <60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
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Vaccinated <60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
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No truth to this article. Might as well link to FOX News.
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"hardly any" is that a number?
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Somewhere around 1 in 350,000 would get a strong reaction, and then only a tiny fraction of those were lethal when not treated.
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sooooomewheeeeere over the rainbow
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wtf are you for real?
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-third-doses-for-covid19-vaccines-what-you-need-to-know
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Yes, nice link. Now my question still stands. Did you even read r link?
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Reality: in the most vaccinated nations majority of the hospitalizations are vaccinated people.

FUCK YOU, DEGENERATE STATIST SCUM.
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That is only because most people are vaccinated. The fact that they survive while the unvaccinated die highlights the problem of not being vaccinated.

Your example doesn't help you.
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Vaccination doesn't prevent infection. It never has. It helps your body minimise the harm of infection. This of course also reduces the spread, but not all of it.
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That is cute. Well the data shows it is not a concern.
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not a vaccine, mRNA injection is experimental gene therapy
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Immune response only causes immunity when it's causes your body to respond to a SPECIFIC virus.
Immunity means your body fights a particular virus. A response can kill you done wrong
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That is an oversimplified way of looking at what immunity is. It's more complicated than you realise. Your body is trained to eliminate harmful immune responses, even mRNA made ones.
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While your body can get it wrong sometimes and cause an autoimmune response, if you believe in your bodies natural ability then you realise that your body stops bad immune responses.
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If vaccine works then yes, not the case with covid gene therapies
Provide your source for definition then
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The vaccine does work, and works better than a lot of older well used vaccines. I'm not the one making wild claims that needs to back them up. Your trying to put yourself above science
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where's the definition? nothing? :)
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You already posted the real definition. You are just falling for the myth that it is a new definition. In reality it is the same definition we always had.
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Why do you think they changed the definition? Did you even read them? Covid vax are first that don't target the virus. That's why only last 3 months
Trigger immune response GENERALLY
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So it's telling your body to go on defense with or without any threat present.
No tiny amount of the virus to your system to teach it to fight THAT virus
Body fighting NOTHING
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They didn't actually change the definition. At most some websites corrected their wrong definition. What you show as the old definition was only a definition of one type of vaccine.
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The mRNA vaccine type is more effective at teaching your body how to build immunity. It is also safer than old traditional vaccines. It's also easier to produce and make other vaccines
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What studies? List them here, thank you
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Why should I go look them up for you? The fact is mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades. Look it up yourself, you have Google.
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Moderns stays more effective for longer. Sure, we know this. You are putting a strange twist on these things.
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longer than what? wehere are the numbers?
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Longer than Pfizer, the other mRNA vaccine. The only real difference between the two being the lipid envelope.
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Thats what I mean, 95% claimed is RRR, you dont understand the difference
So what is your honest source for ARR?
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RRR and ARR are absolutely irrelevant. Its dishonest to even try to pretend I was confusing anything.
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It was approved finally because of the pandemic, and it's effectiveness. So people have low side effect rates, and are protected from a virus with high transmission rates.


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