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Do you NOT believe our species is capable of, or willing to weaponize disease or that big pharma censors information about viable alternatives to vaccines? There's 21 billion at stake
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The danger that the #fuckingcapitalists present is that they will not share the vaccine with the world instead demanding profits. It breeds dangerous mutations like the Delta variant.
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How about not putting any research into a widely available, OTC alternative that could have been studied with the same resources the vaccines enjoyed? Oh wait, there's less profit.
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Again, you fucking idiot, symptom suppression isn't the goal of a vaccine! It's about immunity and stopping the spread. That's the more significant goal. Your miracle cure isn't.
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If you're going to hurl around insults, there's really no point having an exchange. RIGHT NOW, we can't reasonably conclude the vaccines offer immunity.
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Even big pharma will tell you the vaccines don't offer immunity, merely a reduction in severity of symptoms and a reduction in morbidity; both of which Ivermectin might do.
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God are you fucking stupid. YOUR BODY IS WHAT GIVES YOU IMMUNITY. YOU NEED A VACCINE TO STIMULATE AN IMMUNE RESPONSE. IVERMECTIN CAN'T DO THAT. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A VACCINE IS?
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Lets swear at people, use upper case, and repeat stupid things that have already been shown to be wrong. That has to make us look clever right? lightrider is just a stupid little troll
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The fact that I know that I'm talking about is that makes me seem clever. The fact that you idiot antivaxers and covidiots don't understand shit is why you will suffer ridicule forever
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Not antivax, anti guinea pig is all. The patients I set up on home oxygen were all having hydroxychloroquine prescribed by the infectious disease docs with positive results too.
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My mother has a damaged immune system, can she still take Hydroxychloroquine if she gets Covid? She's allergic to Ivermectin. & doctors tell her she can't take vaccine either.
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Check out some of the research on NAC. It shouldn't be taken to mean official medical advice, I'm not a clinician.
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Don't ask random racists/antivaxers on the internet for medical advice. Seek a qualified medical professional for assistance.
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I don't think you have to explain to bregecko why she should not ask you for medical advice lightrider.
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Apparently I do have to explain. Which says more about you than me.
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I suppose lack of reading comprehension is also part of what "makes you seem clever" (see 4 posts back). The meaning of what I said here was quite easy to understand. bregecko got it.
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They weren't asking me. It's your reading comprehension that is questionable you fucking idiot. Along with with every other aspect of your mental ability.
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Still not getting it I see. Looking clever indeed.
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Yeah I get that you're trying to pin your racism and stupidity on me. It's pathetic and no one intelligent is going to fall for it. Try harder to be wittier than a 3rd grader shithead.
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I've been following this conversation for a long time. I haven't seen anything even remotely racist....
What did I miss? How is he a racist? Sounds like a troll copout.
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His post history going back years documents well his terrible opinions and shitty perspective. This conversation is a drop in the Nazi bucket.
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I'm curious about actual examples. At least one.
Otherwise you're making yourself look like a typical 'new age liberal' that throws the 'racist' label at any opposition. Being honest.
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The past of which you lie is hard to document properly. But, exactly how is this current conversation a "drop in the Nazi bucket"? What exactly did I say that was even a little "nazi"?
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Still not getting it. I am successfully pinning YOUR racism back on you where it belongs. You are racist against white men. I am not at all a racist. You just use that word as a weapon
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That still doesn't make it a substitute for a vaccine. If you are afraid of taking a vaccine that's fine but don't tell other people that they just need a bullshit cure instead.
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Not once did I use the word cure in any of our exchanges.
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To be skeptical about this NEW medical science they are testing out on the public does not make one an anti-vaxer. Even the most qualified scientists & doctors don't know yet
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OK, I get tempted too often to explain why stupid claims are stupid, but even I will not try to explain how that post was dumb.
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Oh, and a functioning immune system will also detect dangerous things, it should not need some artificial untested voodoo addition, especially when cov19 is not a real danger.
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Yes, I understand the mechanics of immunizations. For all you know at this point, there's no immunity. hence the reports of other people contracting it after the jab.
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Your argument assumes vaccine safety, which there isn't. Ivermectin could be used as a until the trials finalize. We need to establish some clear points here if you want to continue.
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Ivermectin isn't POSSIBLY a life saver. It's saved many lives already. In places that allow it to be used, like Florida ect.
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Fine, let doctors use it as they see fit. It's still not a fucking vaccine substitute nor does it have anything to do with immunity or the prevention of viral spread. Stop conflating.
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The vaccines don't prevent spread, the manufacturers would love to draw that conclusion but can't yet. There's a reason certain things made available over the counter though.
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Last I heard, the "vaccines" were only tested for preventing symptoms. I think anything beyond that is wishful thinking. Also, preventing symptoms can mean suppressing immune system.
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Maybe I should clarify this ("immune system" part). A fever for example is almost always a response by your immune system, it is not directly caused by stuff that attacks your body.
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Suppressing this fever will remove a tool in the toolbox of the body, which makes it less efficient in doing its job, which in turn, on makes you more sick. A dangerous thing to do
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Exactly. Many doctors have expressed their concerns about that very issue for long term after vaccines. Especially for children
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Yes, that's right, the only thing that can actually fight this thing might very well be suppressed by the "vaccine". The complete opposite of what you want.
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I agree. There's no way to know long term effects either. This type of vaccine has never been done before. Suspicious that they're pushing them so hard....
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In Virginia they're giving away a free gun to people as an incentive to vaccinate
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To people with a brain, this is an obvious red flag. Just like the super heavy censorship of truth, the bullying of people who speak up and so on. It is ridiculous at this point.
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Sorry. I just wanted to put the info out there. It might save someone's life.
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My beliefs are irrelevant. Yes it's possible but stupid to develop hyper deadly viruses because they will kill everyone not just your enemy. There is no alternative to a vaccine.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012369220348984

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Yeah like I said, anecdotes aren't data. Link even asserts that real study is needed. And symptom suppression didn't indicate immune response or reduction of transmissibility.
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Oh, there's data there, it's not an official study though, no argument on that front. That said, there's no formal study for vaccine efficacy, until 2023.
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Viruses require a vaccine to be protected from them. They are different from germ based diseases. You still don't understand the mechanisms that enable the body to defend against them.
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Sure I do. I earned my keep in medicine for several years and have a minor in it's study. Don't just make assumptions, you might learn something.
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Doesn't mean you know what your talking about. Lots of quack doctors saying stupid bullshit nonsense lately. Maybe you should have studied more. What I can see is that you're confused.
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Share some evidence to the contrary then. I'd love to see something concrete. For now, Ivermectin could potentially be cost effective and widely disbursed while trials are running.


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