There are still a lot of unvaccinated people providing fertile places for the virus to spread as well. They make up a majority of the severe cases. The vaccinated have more mild cases.
It isn't about making the virus disappear, that can't happen. It was just about reducing risk. We could be out of it faster without such a large anti-vax population.
It is the same attempt to "flatten the curve" that was talked about early on. It's maybe a bit much now, but politicians are responding to people's fears.
As many expert witnesses are pointing out, mRNA gene therapy is new technology. The covid vaccines are still in trial phase, thus not properly tested and not yet established/finalized.
Yeah, I've seen lists like that. When you look into it you find almost all have not scientific credentials, or do so in an unrelated field. These are doctors who give Botox injections.
Lists like this let you know when a group has no credit. It's like the lost of climate change denier scientists. Most have no degrees, the few with degrees are geologists.
Ah I get it now. Most of the 60k health professionals are discredited botox docs. Just like climate denier scientists. Makes total sense. Well debunked
Yes, when they point to a list anyone can sign as their argument it shows they have no legitimacy. They never have any real argument, or any data that backs up their claims.
Most are chiropractors and naturopaths. There are some legitimate doctors. They are just idiots. I know a doctor who can't believe the stupidity of some crank doctors.
You're making all this shit up. They're not even listed. If you had actually looked into it you w've come up with different arguments. Only an idiot such as yourself could ignore this.
You've been making shit up this whole time. I was making an assumption about them, but I can say for certain that any people who signed who are doctors are fools, and shit doctors.
I was assuming that many were chiropractors, and plastic surgeons. I know they few that actually have medical degrees are shit doctors. Most are just random anti-vaxxers.
Nothing funny about this situation. The only thing that's laughable are your ridiculous attempts to debunk everything. Still assuming and "knowing". Despite the fact that you cant know
...they're not even listed publicly. Discrediting 60k health professionals because they're calling for focused protection. Only an "anti-science" fool could respond that way.
I really doubt you have any real idea of what science even is. You are putting together a few pop culture ideas. I majored in physics and minored in philosophy. I know real science.
Yeah but that must've been a quack community college. Your professors weren't real, but discredited quacks and liars. I'm just assuming, but I can say for certain they were idiots.
The difference being I am certain people are quacks based on their claims not fitting the data, where as for you it is an emotional response to not agreeing with your ideas.
In no way do you show any capacity to follow, or understand the scientific method. I doubt you really even understand the philosophy of science beyond pop culture references.
I can tell you havent learned shit from your education. Maybe because your profs were all quacks. Science is what we know, philosophy what we don’t know. Apparently you're confused.
Science is what we know based on the facts it provides us. Are you trying to debunk Bertrand Russell now? Based on facts you clearly show a narcissistic personality disorder.
You should probably look up Bertrand Russell before pretending you are stating his ideas. He is also not the only person to have a say in the matter though.
Perfect description of Sam the Quack: Never question, never doubt, never admit wrong, when challenged becomes hostile (discredit by association attack)
You have to find me being wrong before I could admit to being wrong. Despite how much I have shown you are wrong you can't admit it. Numbers and real studies mean nothing to you.
You really think you can BS your way out of everything? To determine risk you need to know a lot about them. You even gave medical advice based on assumptions. That makes you a Quack!
To know their risk you do need to know a lot about them, but to know their risk compared to their risk of a vaccine side effect I do not need to know anything.
Dear dudes. Until memo makes notifications for direct replies only, can I request you guys start a new thread? I want out, but keep getting notifications for this discussion.
thats what I was saying back there with empower users with tools to protect against trolls and spam, and memocash app has what you need, I am not getting any of this bullshit there
I can't help but laugh when realising that this thread has been holding people hostage to it. It has been a pretty epic monstrosity. I would love to trace it out and map the tree.
You the one holding hostage, always wanting the last word and never admit your wrong. Desperately trying to debunk and discredit everything but only making a fool out of yourself 👽
You have given me no reason to admit to being wrong for anything. I am completely willing to change my mind if given reason and evidence. Your arguments lack reason, and evidence.
Hell, since the beginning I have changed my mind on one thing. I am more open now to the idea it was a lab leak that China is covering up. Though that doesn't mean Fauci funded it.
Hell, the tiny $600K the US gave towards that labs construction was nothing. The French helped them design and build it, and left in frustration at them cutting corners.
The fact that the virus is deadlier than any flu, and is stressing our healthcare systems, and that vaccination is the best and safest way to handle it have never been debunked.
Do you say that just to sound dumb, or do you actually believe that? Do you think they just make up that most of the very sick and dying are unvaccinated?
There is no reason to think it is causing any immune problems in people. You can't provide any evidence that it does. Your tabloid article couldn't back up it's claims.
Another good study. It shows that Covid can have damaging long term effects on other organs. This study shows why people should be vaccinated rather than catch the disease.
Yet somehow they KNOW that it prevents deaths and sever illness At the time ONE death with almost no public info Hospitalizations were al but non- existent so they had to bend truth...
They finally had to admit the supposed hospitalization numbers were people that were in hospitals for other reasons that tested positive + ppl stupid w fear via positive home test
Ironically the countries that have a problem with low vax rates like Africa ect. suffering from the LEAST casualties percentage wise Where's this proof they keep reporting vax ANY good
Africa has 1.3 billion people & has had 240K deaths from COVID. I calc about 18.5/100K deaths. US is 880K of 330 million people. A rate of 267/100k approx 14.4 times worse than Africa.
It would be interesting to see if Omicron spread through them earlier on and if they saw the less deadly variant of Covid. Coupled with better vitamin D in equatorial regions.
Giggles is a moron, NPR is like super ultra left wing. Also she is one of the gangstalkers here, she is a leftist and is friends with other gangstalkers here who supports depopulation.
Sarcasm you dumb mother fucker. Quit sniffing the sharpies you stick in people buttholes. I'm not a centrist, that doesn't mean anything. I'm a libertarian, look it up.
They really do sound absurd with all this. I imagine you made an assumption about them based on how they acted and they thought you must be spying on them to know that.
She is just shilling leftist news outlets because she is a leftist claiming and pretending to be right wing, if you ask her, she will tell you she is a centrist.
Rich countries giving extra vaccination is just political protectionism. You see it more with more protectionist governments. It's not the issue you are trying to make it be.
In most all cases the booster is optional. Hell in most all cases the initial vaccination is optional. Cases where it is not optional are hot and miss, some make sense, others do not.
I'm not interested in finding studies for you. I am not the one making claims I need to back up. You have been making claims that the studies you link disagree with your conclusions.
You found those studies and linked them for me. I've sometimes kept your links to show to other anti-vaxxers who tried to claim they were lies. I like how your links trigger antivaxxer
Cumulative Analysis of Post-authorization reports that were kept quiet until courts forced them to be made public recently. FDA requested 75 fucking yrs to release....
If there were millions of witnesses reporting something like a crime or even a ufo sighting with very similar details in their stories, maybe a few hundred or 1,000s MIGHT be false....
Have you even read through those reports yourself for more than just a few? Untl you do that YOU really don't know what you're talking about seriously.....
Or is your ego so overly protective of your belief system that it won't even allow you to do that? Also, aout Africa.... Where are you getting your information from? TV news LOL
Yes, and VAERS does not fit that description at all. Many of the reports are serious, but the data is contaminated by erroneous reports. There is no verification of the reports.
Many things reported to VAERS are minor allergic reactions. There are also many unrelated issues reported to VAERS only because they happened the day of vaccination.
The waning effectiveness was just about current antibody counts in your blood. No one is losing T cells. The study you linked only shows the vaccine is still effective.
it's not epic &you're not holding anyone a hostage, in fact the whole thread proves what kind of idiot u are. I would say you live in a fucking dungeon &think ur own drop is gold.
I am still unsure if your English is your second language. You keep not understanding my words when you respond. I never said I held anyone hostage. I didn't say it was great.
I meant that I never thought of how everyone involved gets a notification, and that it would be interesting to trace the branching structure of the threads. I like data analysis is all
There is no mass deaths from the vaccines. You've never been able to show that it is killing a lot of people. You've only shown rare side effects happen. Then you deny the Covid deaths
Good to have your BS arguments on the blockchain for future generations. Calling us "anti-science" but all they do is to discredit/attack source without looking into the subject matter
17 days ago I asked: Explain why Sam Harris expert in this field, but Robert W Malone, MD, Dr. Peter McCullough, Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD) are not? SAM: Robert Malone is :D
I answered that by telling you Sam is a dr of neurology, and not an expert. He does interview various experts though, including those on vaccines, and viruses, and similar topics.
It is the many doctors and experts in these fields, and the colleges who worked with Malone on those mRNA studies who have discredited him. It is their peers that exposed these quacks.
It essentially says that of the rare cases someone died after the vaccine, that 93% of those deaths were from the vaccine, and 7% of other causes. I wonder what other studies say.
At such low rates that they are more of an interest of study for improvement of vaccines, and not a reason to fear vaccines. This study is a reason to trust the safety of vaccines.
In your post there was 1200 fatalities in 23 million doses, and at most 93% of those 1200 deaths were from the vaccine. So 1100 deaths out of 23 million using numbers from your sources
No, but using your numbers it could be as high as that.in reality it could never be that high. It would mean covering up mass deaths. It would imply more than 200K dead.
Show me where I said that you said it :D I said that young and healthy don't die, death has average 4 commodities. Even sick don't die if treated early.
Well, unlike you I can compare two numbers and see which is larger, and by how much. That is why I know the fee vaccine side effects are inconsequential in comparison.
I get my numbers from the studies you link, and from other experts. The numbers you link are always pics like this with no source. They are often lies that do not reflect the real data
Ok, now find a study to back these absurd claims. Links like these are just anti-vaxxer propaganda. When you post real studies they have numbers and data that back what I am saying.
Of one trial you found. So what? I am sure some trials were finished before a published end date using regular time lines. Much of this work was done years ago.
19 September 2014: mRNA-based therapeutics developing a new class of drugs Besides cancer immunotherapies and infectious disease vaccines... https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd4278
I'm contradicting myself by pointing out they started PRECLINICAL studies in 2012 for rsv/flu? Not decades like you claim. I've proven my point this is NEW "vaccine" technology.
You pointed out one preclinical study that started in 2012, which contradicts your claims that it is new. There have been many studies into mRNA, and mRNW vaccines for decades.
As you can see on the timeline, the first study for infectious disease was 2012. That indicates these type of "vaccines" are NEW. Covid vax still in trial. You haven't debunked shit.
There have been studies for decades... That doesn't mean the technology is decades old. These vax are new. So before you serve more word salad, where exactly am I contradicting myself?
Don't use a bit to do your thinking then. It's pretty obvious you have been lead down a particular path of bullshit by either a troll farm, or bot making you more predictable to it.
Are we still going to be doing this a year from now? How many more yrs? Too depressing for xmas eve. Merry Christmas sam. There would be no one to argue with if you left.
We're just about at the point of letting it be. It would have been easier to do by now if vaccination rates were closer to the 99% it should be at. The unvaccinated made it take longer
99% it should be? An experimental gene therapy vaccine of which the long term effects are unknown? Are you crazy? You know they're about to change the definition of "fully vaccinated"?
Both of those are lies. There was no promise of that, and the rise in infections are worst among the unvaccinated. The problem is how many are still unvaccinated.
Bullshit. The worst cases with severe symptoms are still the elderly and obese people. Those are the people who are the most vaccinated. Omicron variant is infecting mostly vaccinated.
It is the unvaccinated among them, and unvaccinated of any age, that see the worst effects. Just because it is mostly older people doesn't mean young people are safe.
That is where you are wrong. Healthy people are dying from this at a far higher rate than you realise. It's far worse than any flu of cold. Those normally only kill the weak too.
You've linked enough studies that debunk what you say as your evidence. Almost all your evidence backs what I am telling you. Try reading your links beyond the title.
OMG that is a hilarious site though. Way to only link to misinformation sites. Anyone pretending science does not allow discussion has never known science.
You keep stating probabilities as if they are binary facts. That lack of understanding probability is the main reason you are unable to use logic on this subject.
What I had just stated had substance, and more meaning than you are willing to admit. You have no ability to judge probabilities. You can not even seem to compare numbers by magnitude.
It's your biggest failing. You hear something is a probability, and you declare it will or will not happen. You are unwilling to accept probabilities as stated.
It is still killing younger people at a far higher rate than a bad flu would. It's that fact you are most in denial about, and that fact which make all your ideas idiotic.
You've never shown any evidence to support your position. Most of your evidence supports my position, or doesn't say what you think it does. That or you find out right lies.
This is how long these things take. We are lucky we have the vaccine which made it recover faster than last time. 100 year ago it was much worse. There were similar protests.
One day you're gonna wake up and feel butthurt af. Even if you're just a troll or a shill or whatever is wrong with you. This isn't over until it's over
I had that moment already when I stopped believing in things like you do. When you see through the lies and false premises of the conspiracy theory movements it stings a bit.
I never said I believed in anything. That's what you make of it. Just because I'm pointing out certain "coincidences" doesn't mean I believe in your interpretation of it.
Conspiracy theory movements. Right. You're projecting your own experiences as a "conspiracy theorist" on others. I'm not party of any movement. I'm self educated and self organizing.
Still projecting away I see. Theres no such thing as misinformation. Information is information. There's only information. Do I have to explain again how manipulation of reality works?