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TrashPosterInTheDark
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And only a Moron you give money to get a flu vaccine and submit himself to a fear campaing by a for profit corporation that wants "your good". LMAO
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Well I would rather be a live Moron than a dead Moron. LOL. You must be an anti- vacciner in general . Another Idiot like the flat Earther. You argue against facts. That's a Moron
TrashPosterInTheDark
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I was expecting an argument justifying your blind trust you put on multinational corporations but I guess you don't have any since all you have left is ad hominem.
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There is no blind trust. There is fact which is what you ignore. You are a conspiracy theorist. Plain and simple.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Your "facts" comes from those you are selling you the vaccines. I guess that's enough for simple minded people.
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And by the way, how does the CDC make their money off the Flu vaccine? They don't make it.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Do you even know who manufacture these vaccines? I bet you don't.
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Sanofi Pasteur , Australian company CSL, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline.
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I know I know. These pharma's are in cahoots with the Government in one large freakin scam. LMAO. Conspiracy Theorist all the way. Moron.
Sk8eM dUb
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In cahoots is not the proper nomenclature dude. We say "regulatory capture".
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And I am sure many gov leads have had Vaccine shots and flu shots. So who are you talking about?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
They get the Thimerosal-free ones
replied 1988d
Um Ok. You must not eat much Tuna because it 's the same amount of Thimerosal in a vaccine as a 3 OZ can of Tuna. LOL
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Do you inject tuna directly into your brain?
replied 1988d
WTF? LMAO Go back to your lousy trading Techniques Don't make yourself look like more of a moron.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you think ingestion and injection have equvalent absorption rates just because you're defending an establishment authority you're the one who looks stupid.
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Lets get rid of the CDC because Douche Bag DashCunning disagrees with the facts they show. Talk about looking stupid.
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Then prove otherwise you fuckin Moron. Don't just spout BullShit.
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And I ask you, who in gov is making this decision that we will purposely give vaccine shots that we know will make people sick? Unless you are a dictator, gov is ran by people.
Sk8eM dUb
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Requiring them or ostrisizing ppl who refuse them for whatever reason the choose is authoritarian.
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And it's no secret we live longer because of advanced Medicine. So again the facts go against your conspiracy theory that the gov is trying to knock people off with Vaccines.
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Well at least you admit your a Conspiracy Theorist. Complete nonsense. No fact to base any of your shit on.
Sk8eM dUb
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What do you think of these guys? Are they still Nazis or have they magically turned into benevolent moral people? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
Sk8eM dUb
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Wolfs conspire to eat sheep. That's not a theory, it's a fact. Not all modern medicine is bad but it is a walled garden with a profit motive to keep the status quo gravy train rollin.
replied 1988d
And you are the one that decides which medicine is good, and which medicine is bad with no fact bearing evidence what so ever. Nice
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
authority figure-"inject this into your baby's blood stream. It's safe and effective."
Mother-"prove it"
authority figure-*hair on fire* CONSPIRACY THEORST! FLAT EARTHER! BURN HER!!!1!
replied 1988d
It has been proven moron. Go look at the stats of people who have died not getting Vaccines vs people who have. Of course you will have a non factual Bull Shit answer for everything.
Sk8eM dUb
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You say the word "proven". Proven by whom? This is the crux of the issue. A snake oil salesman loves to use the word proven. "Proven safe and effective! Low low price of $9.95!"
replied 1988d
Get off your trading habits and actually go learn something. Your argument is as good as a BCORE team member.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
You're the one trusting an authority like core/blockstream(connected to the same ppl as the medical establishment btw) to tell you what's good for you. Questioning = blasphemy.
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How do you know the Dodgers won 5-2 today? They showed it on T.V. But that all could have been fake. They really didn't play. They just made you think they did. LMAO.
Sk8eM dUb
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There's no profit motive for deceiving me of baseball game results. There is (massive)profit motive for cooking/spinning study results.
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Again prove anything is just a profit motive other than the tuna you are blowing out your ass.
Sk8eM dUb
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Do you trust a home plate umpire who has a $100K bet on the game to call balls and strikes fairly?
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And the funny thing is if it was all profit like you say, then they certainly wouldn't be telling people the flu shot was only 10% effective last year. LOL. Great sales pitch.
replied 1988d
Where's the proof an ump put money on the game?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Certainly this guy has his own profit motive. But can you debunk his claims? https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/30/cdc-receives-funding-from-industry.aspx
replied 1988d
You are the one claiming they are printing fake stats. And you have no proof that's the case. Another Conspiracy Theorist= IDIOT.
Sk8eM dUb
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The burden of proof is not on me because I have a choice to take the vaccines or not. It's their responsibility to convince me that the CDC isn't captured by big$$$ special interests.
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Yes, you have the choice to possibly die by one of the diseases the vaccines prevent against. And it's only your choice. You don't have to believe anything.
replied 1988d
But when it comes to children where they don't get to choose, it's a sad day in hell if their parents don't vaccinate them.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Why?
replied 1988d
find an old cemetery and browse, there was a reason they had so many kids back then cause making it to adulthood was an accomplishment not achieved by all
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
lol yeah that's cuz most people lived in shacks and drank poop water. How well do your graphs correlate with water treatment plants and refrigeration?
replied 1987d
look what happened when herd immunity dropped we see measles outbreaks again
or did these people start drinking poop water again?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
Remember when what's-his-name said "correlation does not imply causation"? Maybe it was fast food? http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/fast-food-weight-gain-and-insulin.html
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Sk8eM dUb
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If the general level of a population's immune system is compromised because of poor nutrition, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume they'd have a higher incidence of diseases.
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Sk8eM dUb
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2 deaths per 100K ppl down to zero. Maybe it's cuz everyone finally had a refrigerator? https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/technology%20adoption%20rate%20century.png
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See this is your scapegoat. You don't have to believe any facts. You don't have to believe the testing and the history of results. It's certainly not proven by you. Retard.
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correlation != causation
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Vaccines and inoculations are not the same thing. A vaccine inoculates you but it's not the only option for inoculation.
slb
replied 1988d
2) It's like saying snake poison cures cancer. If you poison all people with cancer you will have 0 cancer deaths. Stats out of context are huge evil.
slb
replied 1988d
1) Those stats are out of context. They only show drop of deaths by certain disease. But if you check the overall death drop - there is none outside of the general trend.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging

Say it to yourself every morning like brushing your teeth -

Correlation does not imply causation.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
lolol "inject this virus into your bloodstream - statistically you have an extremely good chance of not dying" 😂😂😂😂 sign me up!
Fnuller15
replied 1988d
Vaccines are not injected directly into the bloodstream. They are commonly injected into a muscle (intramuscular injection).
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Ah yeah good point. Still more direct than going through your digestive tract. Idk if thimerosal is dangerous. 10% effective isn't a good enough risk/reward tho so I pass on flu shots
Fnuller15
replied 1988d
Flu vaccine shots make sense if you belong to certain at-risk groups (elderly, pregnant,and others) where a flu disease poses a greater risk than for regular healthy adults.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
I'm a centrist on the issue. I think the FDA and CDC gots their hands elbow deep in the cookie jar. It's similar to trusting blockstream to write benevolent Bitcoin code.
Fnuller15
replied 1988d
What is the alternative to FDA/CDC regulation of medicine? No regulation at all?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
***Mises lol you can tell I'm not completely sold on the libertarian religion.
replied 1988d
calling it a "religion" just shows, how little you actually read/heard/talked about it with people. It's clearly not "Oh yeah, I got it, but there is more to it". It's petty dismissal.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
If it's not a religion why do you react this way to me calling it that? "Taxation is theft" is (dogmatically shallow) tribal signaling just like "believe women" or "God is good".
replied 1981d
but hey dude... whatever.. I don't give a shit anymore. I try not to answer any moronic statement made on the internet, it waste my time and energy. have fun talking shit
replied 1981d
i cannot answer you, without being a blind zealot? ok. lets not talk. people calling libertarian philosophy and its <logical> conclusions "a religion" 100% DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT.
anarchovegan
replied 1981d
It's not, but if the person doesn't know why taxation is theft, it might as well be.
replied 1981d
"taxation is theft" comes from a logical thoughtprocess. If I have to tell this to you, and explain the process, it means that all those hours spend understanding rothbard were wasted.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1981d
If you can't explain it it means you actually don't understand it. OR it's not actually cogent, you just think it is because you sank so much time(and lost so many friends?) over it.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1981d
That's called a "sunk cost fallacy" by the way. Just because you spent a lot of time on something does not make it correct, useful or cogent.
anarchovegan
replied 1981d
No; if you can't explain it, your time was wasted. If you can, it was well-spent.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1981d
I know the thought process because I've processed it with thought. I think it's flawed reasoning. If that offends you it's cuz I'm blaspheming your religion. If not you wouldn't be.
anarchovegan
replied 1981d
What is your counter to the idea that taxation is theft?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
So if I dropped you naked in the middle of a forrest a thousand miles from any civilization - you wouldn't be able to clothe yourself, let alone make a gun. Learn to be more thankful!
anarchovegan
replied 1980d
Let's say you live in a rapist's house, and that rapist was excused to rape you because that's just how things go.
Now, imagine you were in the middle of a forest. Be grateful!
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
I'm extremely grateful that I eat better than any king could 200 years ago every day, I'm safe, I can move around freely, I can access information freely, I get a day off once a week..
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
I am too :)
And things could be so much better with consistency applied morality, too :)
In fact, our collective existence depends on it. We will go extinct otherwise.
Simon Van Gelder
replied 1980d
How much would this service cost? It sounds desirable...
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
It'll cost you everything!
Simon Van Gelder
replied 1980d
My lucky day: that's *exactly* what I have.
Sk8eM dUb
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That'll take a minute. I gotta work! I'll hit you up later.
Sk8eM dUb
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Pareto principle guarantees that a tiny percentage of the population will end up "owning" most of the land in a free-for-all anarchist society. Maybe ancaps think it'll be them?
anarchovegan
replied 1980d
Could you explain what a free-for-all anarchist society is?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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It would probably look a lot like “Burning Man” if I were to guess 🤔
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
That's not very helpful.
I haven't been to burning man.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
replied 1979d
Google and YouTube can be an excellent resource to learn more about places and experiences you haven’t had but are interested in ;)
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Yes, and you could also tell me what you mean by "free for all anarchist society".
I don't care about burning man.
I'm asking you what You mean.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
replied 1979d
https://burningman.org/event/preparation/first-timers-guide/
This is a good place to start if you want to see why I thought Burning Man when I read “free for all anarchist society”
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
Found the words "law enforcement" on there. This is not anarchy.
Sk8eM dUb
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Isolate them with no food and see what happens next.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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They would probably just go find food. Hunt/gather and share as a community because that is the philosophy that Burning Man brings.
Sk8eM dUb
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lol I thought it was in the desert. I'm saying introduce actual scarcity so people have to start deciding between altruism and personal survival. You'll get a few "criminals", then...
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Obviously if you put people in a situation where they have no food or water they are going to start fighting. Law enforcement or anarchy doesn’t matter. Survival can become savage.
Sk8eM dUb
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Not necessarily starvation level famine, just enough scarcity that there are winners and losers in food production which means inequality. You'll have a government in no time.
Simon Van Gelder
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I've heard a shepherd does wonders in such a situation.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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I have no clue what your meaning by this. Care to elaborate?
Simon Van Gelder
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People with no resources in the desert are animals, which a shepherd can lead and care for.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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“free for all anarchist society” wasn’t a term I used. Sorry I kinda jumped in on your conversation with someone else because when I read that I immediately thought burning man
Sk8eM dUb
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no no no, please jump in! It's a fascinating topic, I'm still thinking through it.
anarchovegan
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So... what do you mean by it?
anarchovegan
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Indeed.
Sk8eM dUb
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Watch Princess Mononoke, pretty much that. No different than straight up feudalism. If you amass any wealth there'll be raiding parties of samurai at your door every damn day.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
And why do you think if you amass wealth they'll be raiding parties of samurai every day?
Sk8eM dUb
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Why do you think there wouldn't be?
anarchovegan
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It depends on if people defend taxation, the blind obedience to authority.
That is what enables that.
Sk8eM dUb
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So what do you think should happen to people who "defend taxation in blind obedience to authority"?
anarchovegan
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That, if they are so open, they talk with me or someone else who advocates for anarchy, a society where none hold the blind belief in authority?
Sk8eM dUb
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And how do you propose to achieve that?
anarchovegan
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By talking with them, as I am currently doing with you.
Sk8eM dUb
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Perhaps you're right. However, the statement isn't useful in the least because the alternative(feudalism) is much much worse.
anarchovegan
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What statement?
What do you mean that feudalism is the only alternative?
Sk8eM dUb
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The statement "taxation is theft" is like a child complaining that it's not fair he has to do chores to get an allowance. As the parent I'd say 'don't let the door hit you in the ass!'
anarchovegan
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How is "Taxation is theft" like that?
Sk8eM dUb
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The kid wants the benifits of living in the household he was born in without any obligations. You want the benifits of the society you were born into with none of the trade-offs.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Being born into a society that organizes using theft validates that theft?
Is the taxation repealed when child matures?
Aren't families communistic?
Is everyone a perpetual child?
Sk8eM dUb
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It's a limited analogy. You know that demanding perfect solutions is a socialist tactic? Gotta say I'm disappointed. I thought I'd learn from you but it seems you're just an NPC.
anarchovegan
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How am I demanding perfect solutions?
Unknown
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By taking an analogy farther than it was clearly meant to illustrate the point I was making.
Sk8eM dUb
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Anarchism becomes feudalism because of the Pareto principle. A small amount of people will own most/all of the land. A monopoly on land ownership is feudalism by definition.
anarchovegan
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Why would a small amount of people in anarchy own most/all the land?
Sk8eM dUb
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Haven't convinced me of anything other than that you blindly, dogmatically, definitionally believe to the idea that a tax is necessarily a violent violation of your property rights.
anarchovegan
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I don't expect to convince you of anything in one conversation. I don't understand how you're concluding that I'm dogmatic about taxation. Could you explain that?
Sk8eM dUb
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One big problem with "taxation is theft" is that you assume entitlement of all society's structure that you benefit from every damn day. Not saying it's perfect or even very efficient.
anarchovegan
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How does "taxation is theft" assume entitlement of all society's structure?
If you have your money stolen from you, but they buy you something, that makes their theft ok?
Sk8eM dUb
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The roads, sewers, electricity, infrastructure to keep it all running etc. etc. - all stuff you used to make that money *in the first place*. Could you have made that money w/o it?
anarchovegan
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Are you saying that these things cannot be done in a voluntary fashion?
Sk8eM dUb
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I just watched Princess Mononoke - great film for thinking about this stuff. One takeaway- force multipliers(like guns) require specialization. You don't get steel without society.
anarchovegan
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I don't know what you mean by force multipliers, nor how society or specialization require government, whatever you mean by those terms.
Sk8eM dUb
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So like trains - what needs to exist societally to turn iron ore into a functioning train system? How much cheaper is it to transport goods via rail than carrying it on foot to market?
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
What does this have to do with a voluntary society vs an involuntary society?
Sk8eM dUb
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That's why pay tribute to Caesar - YOU USED HIS SYSTEM OF COMMERCE TO MAKE THAT MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE <---- Make your money outside that system, then you can say taxation is theft.
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "his system of commerce"?
Sk8eM dUb
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Do you create the money system you use every day? Didi you build the highways and the rails? Why do you think you get to use them for free?
anarchovegan
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Why do you think that stealing money (taxation) is how things are built in a sustainable fashion, supposing that this is what you think?
Not taxation =/= free.
Sk8eM dUb
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Some taxes are theft for sure, that's an inevitability of having any centralized power structure. That doesn't mean the alternative is going to be any more efficient.
anarchovegan
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What is the alternative? Not having money stolen?
Efficient = doing something in the least wasteful manner?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/efficient
Isn't voluntary more efficient?
Sk8eM dUb
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You have no evidence that privatized everything is more efficient. Hong Kong was a great example of good balance between public and private. Sorry but cities need utilities and police.
anarchovegan
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You mean that cities need utilities and defense?
I'm not against that. I'm only against systematically involuntary interactions, which the police are based upon, per funded with taxes.
anarchovegan
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Made a topic for easier visual viewing of the video I'm watching in relation to the topic of privitization:
https://memo.cash/topic/Privatization
anarchovegan
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Could you link me to what you're talking about in regard to Hong Kong?
Do you think I'm against cities having utilities? I advocate for utilities being funded voluntarily.
Sk8eM dUb
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I think you'll hit a point where there's too many takers and the people actually paying will start feeling like they're being taken for a ride. You know, like socialism.
anarchovegan
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Too many takers of what? Utilities?
Sk8eM dUb
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This is what I don't get about the ancap belief system. Does a completely unregulated market suddenly turn people into altruists who just let you use their infrastructure for free??
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "unregulated market"?
The market, when free (no gov interference), is regulated by customers.
Do shitty stuff, go bankrupt, or be unable to buy stuff. Deadly.
Sk8eM dUb
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I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause? Have you ever observed this thing that you think exists in the real world?
anarchovegan
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I myself? In general, no, I have not witnessed a free market where there is no government interference.
I find that question curious. Does an answer of "no" imply impossibility? Why?
Sk8eM dUb
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This is how ancap is essentially the same as socialism, just with the words replaced. They hate "capitalists" you hate "governments" 😩😩😩😩 ITS THE SAME FREAKING PEOPLE😑
anarchovegan
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With the way people talk about capitalists and what they mean, you're quite right.
Capitalists, in common colloquial, means corporatists. Welcome to our current Orwellian reality :)
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You have to go back to the 19th century. To see something close to a libertarian state.
anarchovegan
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Perhaps you could be more specific than that?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1977d
This is exactly how ancap belief is like socialism - "true free market has never been tried!" lol. Have you not considered that the biggest winners in the market BECOME the government?
anarchovegan
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Yes. My lack of witnessing a "true free market" means one has never existed?
I answered your question directly; did you not turn it into a generalization about all human societies?
Unknown
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Here's a fairly simple question you'll probably have no idea how to answer - If a truly free market has ever existed, why does it no longer exist?
Unknown
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It's absolutely a generalization about human societies. Like I said earlier, we're talking about human nature here. Ancaps don't understand basic human nature, just like socialists.
Unknown
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Republican democracy is the only defense against whales. What do you think the 1st and 2nd amendment are for? Shakespeare and hunting? NO - they're for when a whale gets in to office!
Unknown
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Historically you get people who win big in some revolution(e.g. The industrial revolution etc.) in crypto we call them "whales". They're the real monopoly on force.
Unknown
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Sometimes being concise in Twitter format harms coherency of information:
*Yes, I have considered that.
anarchovegan
replied 1977d
No, I don't, though I do believe in the spirit of the christmas holiday, and am quite appreciative to see the opposite effects from corporatism. It shows the possibilities to me.
Sk8eM dUb
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anarchovegan
replied 1977d
Huh. Friedman thinks there's a proper role of gov.
Unsurprisingly, that "freedom" is slowly eroding with inevitably more and increasing gov involvement: systematically involuntary.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1977d
You're either ruled by an elected government or by a mafia. One you have some semblance of choice, the other you have no choice but to submit or join. Perpetual power vacuum is a myth.
anarchovegan
replied 1977d
"Perpetual power vacuum is a myth."
""when someone has lost control of something and no one has replaced them.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_vacuum
Could you expound on that?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1977d
Just to clarify here, you want no enforcement whatsoever. No regulation, no government, no police, no judges, no mayors or city councils, etc etc.. Is this correct?
anarchovegan
replied 1976d
What do you mean by "no enforcement whatsoever"? I'm in favor of enforcement by the customer, for instance.
I'm not in favor of enforcement by a monopoly on force that steals to exist.
Sk8eM dUb
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It's not a monopoly on force if it's given to them via fair and free elections. The alternative is being ruled by a mafia. I believe the neither realm you desire can not exist.
Unknown
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It's not a monopoly on force if the money taken from me without my consent is given via elections?
How is that free or fair? How is the other alternative being ruled by a mafia?
anarchovegan
replied 1977d
What do you think it's either rule by elected government or by mafia?
anarchovegan
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"You have no evidence that privatized everything is more efficient."
We just start the discussion and you head in with that I have no evidence? Jumping the gun much?
Sk8eM dUb
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It's not a question of sustainability(good job busting out the socialist rhetoric btw), it's that you've able to amass wealth partially due to society existing before you.
anarchovegan
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The idea of sustainability is socialist rhetoric? How? Socialism is unsustainable.
How does amassing wealth based on previously-existant society validate theft?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
Illustrate to me how the money you pay to a local, elected authority to build and maintain roads and sewers, pay police and fire fighters etc. is theft? If you don't like it, move!
anarchovegan
replied 1978d
When those things are maintained by taxation, which is involuntary.
If I were paying them and could stop, then you'd be right - it wouldn't be theft.
Sk8eM dUb
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Well we can start with the big one https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org
The taxes these ppl advocate for absolutely are theft. All in the name of The Greater Good aka "sustainability"
anarchovegan
replied 1978d
All taxes are theft. Theft for sustainability is nonsense bullshit.
Sk8eM dUb
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I need to be able to trade widgets for potatoes or socks, even if the farmer or seamstress don't need widgets. Money is the greatest force multiplier cuz it allows specialization.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
I'm not against money.
I'm against fiat.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
What is money?
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Money is that which is "fungible, portable, durable, and divisible", as Mike Maloney has said, which is why he advises buying gold. I think BCH is better.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
I think this is a bad definition though - things that have those characteristics can *become* money. But that doesn't tell me what money *is*.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Ok. Money is what people trade their energy and time in to get stuff.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
Does USD work for this purpose? Does gold? Bitcoin?
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
BCH yes. BTC no.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
Ok I'll race you. Go buy a banana with BCH, I'll buy one with Japanese Yen - Winner is using the superior money(at least in the short term). I'll go when you say go.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
You want to just talk about short term?
No game. I'm here for sustainability.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Short-term, yes. It eventually won't.
To a limited degree.
BTC or BCH?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1979d
Gold isn't portable or divisible. Dollars aren't especially durable and are becoming less fungible. I think portability and divisibility is more important. You can always convert out.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Well, you can't use memo unless you do.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
You need ppl in a society to specialize into certain professions or you'll never have enough scale to produce steel - but that doesn't happen without a functioning money system.
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
Are you saying that the only kind of functioning money system, is a fiat one?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
gun vs. sword = women can defend home
asphalt vs. dirt road = shipping is faster and cheaper
trains vs. dirt road = same
telephone vs. carrier pigeon(?) = you get the point
anarchovegan
replied 1979d
No, I don't.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
Also I'll make the case that "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's" is a vastly superior statement to "Taxation is theft". If you don't want to pay taxes, you shouldn't be using dollars.
anarchovegan
replied 1980d
That's fine. How is other people's money Caesars? According to that logic, Caesar stole lots of money and needed to return it.
I don't WANT to use dollars. It's required. I prefer BCH.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
I'll explain why having a government is a necessary trade off if you want to have civilization. It's not a simple thing because we're discussing human nature. Ancap's view is flawed.
anarchovegan
replied 1980d
How is ancap's view flawed?
What is it, according to you?
What is:
1. Civilization?
2. Government?
3. Human nature?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1980d
I've been mulling over what angle I'm going to take all day and now I gotta sleep. I'll leave you with some random thoughts and see if anyone can answer without using tired maxims.
anarchovegan
replied 1980d
Ok. Hopefully you won't use any yourself.
replied 1981d
"taxation is theft" comes from a logical thoughtprocess. If I have to tell this to you, and explain the process, it means that all those hours spend understanding rothbard were wasted.
anarchovegan
replied 1981d
Why should anyone bother talking with you if you won't explain your reasoning?
It's this sort of behavior that I rally against: NPC anarchism.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
I've talked for countless hours with various people about it, online and off. I try to read Rothbard but it's all just the same buzz phrases repeated over and over.
replied 1981d
good for you.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
It's a big problem with the federal bureaucracy in general. There's no consequence for corruption. How many died early because they trusted the idiotic USDA Food Guide Pyramid??
replied 1988d
The balanced one with milk, meat, fish, bread, fruits and plants or the later one with soy and grass?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
hah exactly
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Not sure. The Meses ppl would say that British common law would handle it. Right now drug companies have very few consequences for hurting someone with a vaccine.
replied 1987d
People are not really harmed by vaccines outside the rare allergic reaction.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
I've heard of a problem with babies getting a high fever that causes brain damage and stunted immune system. Could be FUD but I don't see the motive. Imo the're mostly just pointless.
replied 1987d
More han likely FUD. I dont get the motive, but there is FUD against vaccines. They really are the most effective, and cheapest way to fight the spread of many diseases.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
If you want to sell something, get really good at technical analysis and assessing sentiment, release PR when the trend reverses, then claim your product's influence was the reason.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
I'm not sure that's been qualified either. The trends match but it might've just been good timing on the part of the marketers. I think news affecting markets is largely a myth.
replied 1988d
Well why is that? If you negligently harm someone that should be a criminal offense. If there're laws that prevent you from being prosecuted, then *that* is the issue, not the concept.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
Yup, that's the problem with limited liability corporations. Plausible deniability/guilt distributed over layers of bureaucracy. It's definitely one of the toughest problems we face.
replied 1988d
No prove that injecting the same amount of mercury in your blood stream vs a can of Tuna does anything you fucking moron. You are one lost puppy.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Do you inject tuna into your bloodstream??
replied 1988d
Again go look at the statistics between people who have had Vaccinations and people who haven't, and the people who have died, and complications. History of results are proof.
replied 1988d
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
The only funny jokes were the ones where he makes fun of himself. What a yawner, the propaganda used to be more entertaining.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
Lol, he even looks like the NPC meme
replied 1989d
No there are plenty of places to look up the facts that's not from "Those Places" Your facts come out of your ass.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1989d
What facts are you talking about? I have not presented any. All am I saying is that I don't trust multinational corporations for my health and neither you should.
replied 1989d
Bullshit. I survived stage 4 cancer by trusting the chemo shit they put into my body I would have been dead by now. And the way you think you will be dead sooner than later. No Facts?
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1989d
Maybe you got cancer from all the vaccines you get? And then they are selling you chemo.
replied 1989d
You better hope when it does happen to you that it couldn't have been prevented. Or maybe you just don't care.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1988d
I will get cancer from G5 network. Can it be prevented? I don't know.
replied 1988d
How about the measles, mumps, chicken pox, polio, flu, ETC? There are plenty of things that can be prevented. Hence "that it couldn't have been prevented"
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1988d
Right and submit myself to multinational corporations is something that I will absolutely prevent. I strongly prefer to get the flu over giving them money for a useless charade.
replied 1987d
What irks me the most about these debates is (vaccines, climate change etc.) that people do NOT check the DATA. The diseases have been almost extinct even before vaccination.
replied 1988d
yes you may feel that way, but then also please home school your kids,

hand over your iphone and broadband internet, comfy car with awesome reliability thanks to electronic ignition
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
I plan to homeschool anyways, I will never give another dime to apple, the internet needs some serious disruption(far to centralized), I drive crappy old cars and fix them myself. and?
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1987d
Replied to wrong person.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
Hahaha thanks I was wondering why he disappeared. I responded to other posts too though so idk, maybe he gave up.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1987d
Which one of them is a for profit multinational corporation putting stuff in my blood?
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1987d
Which one of them is a for profit multinational corporation putting stuff in my blood?
replied 1988d
You can do whatever you want. But you are very ignorant. You have shown no fact to back up anything you say. That is complete ignorance on the matter.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 1988d
This is basic risk/reward ratio not in my favor.
replied 1988d
Put one kid in school with the Measles and the whole class gets sick instead of just a couple that hasn't had the vaccine.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
FUD is good for making money. Always has been. (at this point I'm just trolling, ignore me)

I actually do agree with you here. It's just that the conflict of interest is dangerous.
replied 1988d
Risk/Reward ratio? LMAO. Take out all the people that had the vaccines and we shall see how that Risk/Reward ratio looks. Ignorance at it's finest.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
The problem is not vaccines themselves. Obviously they work when administered correctly. The problem is having to blindly trust an agency with multi billion$$ interests.
replied 1988d
Well apparently only you are blind. What agency are you talking about?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
CDC and FDA
replied 1988d
I am pretty sure the flu shots go directly from pharma to hospitals and Dr.s. You are going to have to prove to me that the CDC or FDA get a cut of sales at all. I highly doubt it.
replied 1988d
The CDC gets their money from Charitable Contributions and grants. So tell me again how they are making money on the flu shot?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1988d
😂😂😂😂 So it's a tax scam too?! I did not know that. See ya in the funny papers Mike.
replied 1987d
Tax scam too? LMAO. Where's all this proof. A meteor is going to land on your head just because I say so. You really are stupid.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 1987d
The whole point is plausible deniability. If you trust them, be my guest and get your 10% effective harmless(trust us) mercury shot. I ain't stopping you.
replied 1987d
And I am still waiting for those CDC and FDA profit off Flu shot and vaccine numbers.
replied 1987d
Dude, vaccines cost about USD 0.25 - 0.5 to produce per shot. And are sold at around USD 25 - 50... Can't see the profit margin?
replied 1987d
Dude. The CDC and FDA don't make flu vaccines. It comes from 4 different pharma's. Wow.
replied 1987d
The stats are there, you are the one choosing to ignore them saying they are bogus. I look at facts. You apparently don't. If you don't believe it, it's not a fact.
replied 1987d
If you were to research the facts you would see that chances of vaxx complications today are sometimes even higher than getting the disease you vaccinate against around 50 years ago.
replied 1987d
replied 1989d
Cause I was like you at one time. Mr Macho Man. I am invincible. I don't need preventative shots because it isn't going to happen to me. And shots are just gong to be worse on my body.
replied 1989d
Maybe I didn't even start getting the flu shot until after I was cured from cancer. Moron.