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1350d · pol/ - Politically Incorrect
Atheists have no unified moral rule set as religious followers do. Atheists sit on both sides of the abortion issue.
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Diversity of ideas is not a weakness. If one can argue their point, we might all learn something.
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Exactly.
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That's patently false. As an atheist i am an objective moralist. Religjous people don't have true objective morals because they just do what they're told.
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He said no *unified* moral rule set, meaning it's different for almost every atheist. I would agree with this statement, in my experience that seems to be the case
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That's a strange argument. It doesn't matter what others believe if you believe the objective truth.
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Not all matters can be objective. It is impossible for all things to be objective. Many things people see as objective are subjective. Much or our world is our conceptualization.
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You cannot objectively assert that. According to the law of the excluded middle, all propositions are P or !P. That means all opinions are either true or false.
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Objective and subjective things can both be true or false. It can be true that I hold an opinion. "I think burgers taste good" is a subjective statement, and a true statement.
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I'm clarifying SilentSam's original argument. Saying that atheists have "no unified moral rule set" means that each has different morals. There is no objective truth in opinions
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I actually believe that there is only objective truth, and no "opinions". I follow the works of Kant and Rothbard.
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And I actually don't believe that, so there's one example of how people can have different opinions. To bring it back to Sam's point, this shows we don't have a unified view on this
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Opinions dont matter to reality is my point. Unification of opinion doesn't mean anything logically or morally.
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I'm not sure if even that is defensible, if a person has conflicting opinions and is in a position of power, they can matter greatly. For example Hitler's opinions on Jews/Gypsies
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That has nothing to do with moral or logical truth. Your conment is off-topic.
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It isn't off topic, but I'm beginning to doubt if you even know what you're talking about
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So you are only talking about a small subset of truths, and statements?
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I don't understand your question.
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You specified "moral or logical truth" in response to Hibuddha's question. So I am asking if you were only talking about that subset of true statements on the issue of objective truth.
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Moral truth is a subset, logical truth is the whole genre.
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So was his example off topic? If a person subjective opinion has power to enforce their subjective opinion on others, one could say subjective opinion can matter objectively.
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In that instance its not the opinion that matters, but the guns.
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You could say the guns enforced the opinions. I think it was the influence that spread the opinion to others though. The ideology mattered.
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No, your ideology doesn't objectively "matter" just because you can enforce it on others. You're playing a word game here.
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The ideology was not enforced so much as it spread. The people were not against the ideology.
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That's a VERY strange argument, opinions aren't always in response to objective, factual circumstances
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For example, the question "What should we do tonight?" has no objective truth, it forms entirely subjective opinions depending on who you ask
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yes of course but only atheist see no problems killing babies.
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No, people from lots of other religions are fine with abortions as well. Also many Christian's are okay with other having abortions, but wouldn't themselves.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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These Christians simply don't follow their religion.
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By not forcing their religion on others they do not follow their religion. This is true. Real Christian's are rather nuts and can be just as extremist as Muslims.