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Why do Republicans fight so hard to stop abortions, but could careless about the amount of people dying by gunshot? Why not just say "Thoughts and Prayers" to abortions and move on?
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They are not careless about the amount of people dying by gunshot. Many Lives Are Saved by Guns. More Guns, Less Crime!
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Unfortunately, more guns means more guns for criminals too.
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Criminal: "I want to kill s.o. shit i cannot use a gun because of gun laws I've to use a knife"

Criminals don't follow gun laws. There are black markets in every city in the world
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A knife wouldn't kill 20 people in El Paso.

In the USA there are most firearms and most innocent people die from firearms there.

A reasonable person draw a conclusion from this.
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Laws don't stop a bad guy buying a gun on black market to kill people. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
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Fewer guns, less black market, less danger.
Every guy with a gun is a bad guy. Guns are there to kill.
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Sounds like wishful thinking.Nobody can stop black markets. Guns are already there.Nobody can make them disappear.Everybody has the right of self-defense.You love permissionless money
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Guns kill. Money does not kill
There's too many guns already.
Fewer guns, less violence.
Countries with less guns prove it.
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Wrong. There is no correlation between gun ownership rate and gun homicide rate. Not internationally. Not within the USA
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And the earth is flat? I don't argue with people who deny the facts.
Thank you for the conversation.
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Retardation^2
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No...that is a bullshit statement not backed by anything. There is no correlation to gun rates per capital to crime.
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The next one to deny that Earth is round? Do you also claim that the number of road fatalities falls as more cars drive on the roads?
Any gun can kill. The more guns the more dead.
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People kill, not guns you idiot. Get a fucking brain.
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Point to some numbers. If it is so apparent, you shouldn't have a problem backing up your bullshit.
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"The more guns the more dead"
LOL, the most dangerous place in the world must be a gun show
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Compare liechtenstein with germany,venezuela with germany or USA with venezuela.Which country has more gun related homicides per citizen and more guns per capita?3 e.g. with neg.correl
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Comparisons with Venezuela and Liechtenstein are pointless (LIE is tiny and VEN in civil war). I can roughly compare Germany with the USA. The comparison is unambiguous.
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I found a better example:compare austria and germany:same language,same culture BUT austria has WAY more firearms per capita than germany and way less gun related homicides per citizen
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You can also compare norway(more firearms per citizen) with germany(more gun related homicide) or luxemburg(nearly same firearms per citizen) with germany(a lot more homicides)
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I don't compare mosquitoes and elephants. Each country is different. The fact is, if the number of cars in a country increases, the number of accidents increases - same with guns.
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You cannot compare car accidents with gun related homocides. A gun owner is not a murder!

it is false too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
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You can't compare countries because they're too different.A car owner is also not automatically the cause of an accident. Nevertheless, more cars-more accidents. More guns-more dead.
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If more guns=more dead why so few people are killed at rifle ranch, police stations, gun shows, military barracks? there are the most guns
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I'm talking about privately owned guns. But you're welcome to buy guns and kill each other. I don't live in the USA and don't want to go there. Definite end of the discussion.
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In germany most guns are shot at ranch with private guns. At german championship there are thousands of armed people with their own private firearms. Nobody ever got killed there.
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If you really think more guns=more death than
-police stations
-military barracks
-gun stores
-gun shows etc.
must be the
deadliest places on this earth
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People who kill a mass amount of people are ready to die. And they are usually targeting a certain group. Race, religion, Relative, love triangle. Whatever it is.
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That's a fucking retarded statement. Most people who kill with a gun don't want to get caught and go to jail or kill themselves. You think they will get away at those places?
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No, because everybody is armed!! See!! More Guns, Less Crime!!
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You think the gunman went into el paso walmart didn't think people were packing? It's Texas. But he didn't care. They all went running anyway. Too much fire power.
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He was ready to die. But gun laws cannot stop this anyway. France's strict gun control couldn't stop the November 2015 Paris attacks
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The assault rifle ban of the 90's worked to some extent. The numbers went down. And they didn't even attempt to get any of them off the street with gun buy backs and such.
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The Republicans try and use the "Crime" rate to make it seem like it didn't work. You can commit a crime and not even use a gun. LMAO. It such a bogus tactic to fool the public.
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You missed the point. Whether there are guns or no guns, unless a person wants to get caught or ready to die, they are not going to shoot people in a highly public place period.
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But you don't like permissionless self-defense? So everybody with a gun is bad? What is with police officers? If you are against guns, you need guns to enforce gun laws
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People think it's so easy to buy a gun on the black market. These people don't sell to just anybody. If that's the excuse, it's a very poor one.
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You can also create a gun by yourself. Building a firearm is extremely easy. Single shot firearms are built from a length of pipe an end cap a steel rod and a spring can make a gun.
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Let's make that the problem then. LOL
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At least two more methods do this without requiring "government".
But this is irrelevant to those who insist on inflicting their own power games on everyone else.
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Kaizen
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So you want to restrict gun rights and give the government more power? That's a dangerous idea.
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When you say government more power? You mean the police or the military? When was the last time the military came knocking on your door?
Kaizen
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The police and military take orders from the government. The 2nd amendment isn't just about owning guns, it's about limiting the power of the government.
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The reality is an F-16 could fly over your house and bomb your ass. What's your gun going to do?
Kaizen
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My gun wouldn't do anything. But militias would rise up and fight the government if the government waged war like that against its citizens.
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Lol sure bud.

Most Americans would just like a post on Facebook and then go back to watching TV. Just like they have during all the other recent examples of overreach
Kaizen
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Things would be different in the case of extreme overreach like bombing someone's house.
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You would think, but there have already been drone strikes on US citizens. Pay closer attention- https://bit.ly/2GKLzfq

https://bit.ly/2YSmXvK - And now they don't have to disclose it
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Militias are largely pro-government now, they're out hunting refugees and sporting thin blue line flags. Turns out they just had gun fetishes and liked the idea of killing brown people
Kaizen
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Ha you are one liberal dude. I take it you mean illegal immigrants which are enemy invaders. Killing illegal immigrants does not equal being pro-government.
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Thus why I mentioned the thin blue line flag. Not sure how a simple observation makes me liberal, I'm actually pretty conservative. My issue is that the Republican party isn't anymore
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hmm good point. when 2A was written citizens had comparable firepower to gov...🔫
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Stop living in the 1700's man. LOL. You limit the power of the gov by voting and checks and balances and the press. That's what they are there for. "Not Fake News"
Kaizen
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The government would be all-powerful if guns were illegal. Again, look at Venezuela. You are in the minority here. Most crypto supporters are pro-freedom and limited government.
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Yes, my stance on gun owner ship would be different to that of a Libertarian. But I would not be in the minority of the majority of the general public.
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To be clear. I am not against all guns. And I wouldn't even be against owning high capacity guns if there were stricter laws to own them such as having to take a mental test to own one
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Look what happened in germany twice. First they disarme you then they enslave you

Say to people in north korea they should limit the gov by voting. LOL
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The gov will always have more power than you.. So your argument is mute. Why aren't you fighting for the rights to own a grenade Launcher, or a tank, or a nuclear weapon?
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The gov't doesn't even need soldiers/police to enforce their will anymore, they can just kill people with drone strikes. But people still argue small arms protect them from tyranny lol
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There are more armed civilians than soldiers. we could defeat a dictatorship without problem. If we are disarmed, dictatorship is very likely.You can only defeat dictatorship with guns
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let me clear my throat. cgggg. cgggg. Bullshit. Just because the are more people armed doesn't make them a winner 1 nuke can wipe out how many people?
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Government needs tax slaves. If they nuke half of them, they will lose
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It is very unlikely that Gov. start a conflict with armed citizens. So the first step every dictator did first was to disarm the people.
Dictatorship comes step by step
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No I am pretty sure the first step is to call the press "The enemy of the People" and "Fake News"
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If the press criticizes the ruler or vice versa, you are definitely not living in a dictatorship
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exactly. So you discredit the press by saying those things. That's why its the first step. Press needs to go.
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Way to enslavement comes step by step:
1. disarm people
2. ban freedom of speech
3. restrict property rights
4. restrict travel
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe that they are free." - Goethe
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We have never been free.
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Most forget why freedom of speech is important. It's because we decided that no individual or entity could be trusted to be the arbiter of human thought and ideology.
Kaizen
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Great point.
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Small arms don't limit the power of the government at all, they're intended for self defense. In reality they usually just result in higher risk of owner injury though
Kaizen
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Small arms do help limit the power of government, just not as much. Also I didn't specially mention small-arms.
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The average American gun owner is too out-of-shape and inexperienced to use one effectively during a high-pressure situation. They're more likely to accidentally shoot themselves
Kaizen
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Source?
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Kaizen
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So you want to ban guns because people could hurt themselves? Are you also against fireworks? Again, I'm surprised some of you statists even support cryptocurrency.
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Straw men, try harder. I never proposed banning guns you imbecile
Kaizen
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It was a question not a statement. And it's not a straw man argument. What other freedoms should the government restrict to "protect its citizens"?
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There you go with the straw men again lol, I never advocated for taking rights away. I'm stating basic facts on how gun owners are frequently misled, and statistics are misrepresented
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You're getting users mixed up maybe, but your confusion seems to be because you can't handle the fact that guns don't really protect people from violence or the government
Kaizen
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Couldn't disagree more. I'll just leave it at that.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I have very little faith uneducated Americans will spend any time or effort preserving their freedoms, given how many they've lazily given up post-911
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In fact, most "freedom-lovers" were persuaded into supporting the pushes to hand them over, simply because they were labeled with patriotic terms. Our shit schools will be our downfall
Kaizen
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I wouldn't necessarily call those people "freedom-lovers" just ordinary Republicans. But I get your point.
Kaizen
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Look at what happened in Venezuela. Their government disarmed the public and now the citizens can't do anything but ask for outside help.
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Tell ya what, let's make abortion and killing already-born people both illegal then. Problem solved by your standard.
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Killing already is illegal. LOL. i guess you didn't know that. But that doesn't even touch anything I said.
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Well, I'm not a Republican, I'm a rare pro-life libertarian. I don't think disarming the public makes them safer, & I don't think killing a baby because of its location is OK either.
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You foolishly think that because someone has a different way of solving a problem, that they don't want to address the problem at all. You love to be taken care of by the state.
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A different way to solve a problem and not addressing the problem at all, are to different things. Right now I see not addressing the problem at all. that's the problem
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Great point, this shows that most of their platform is just virtue signaling. The religious right is a bunch of lunatics, but everyone on the right tries to act like them now
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I actually used to be pretty fiscally conservative myself, but the party has dropped all attempts at actual conservatism/state rights and folded for banks and lobbyists
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Both parties largely have the same donor base now, after Citizens United. I'm only voting to end that.

Republicans are straight up batshit for standing behind the NRA this long though